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Demolishing Design? Neil Thomas Responds to Richard Dawkins

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Did Charles Darwin settle the question of biological design once and for all? That’s certainly the impression given by some of his modern defenders, including Richard Dawkins. But the actual history of Darwin’s theory tells a different story about the dominant theory of biological origins and why it fails to explain the complexity and specificity and purpose of life.

On this ID The Future, host Andrew McDiarmid continues his conversation with author and scholar Neil Thomas. In his books Taking Leave of Darwin and False Messiah, Thomas examines the intellectual influences behind Darwin’s theory, the objections raised by his contemporaries, and the larger philosophical assumptions that have shaped modern evolutionary thinking.

In this second conversation, Thomas explores what Darwin really accomplished, what questions his theory left unanswered, and why the debate over design continues today. Scientifically, it’s a new day in biology today, and we now know much more about what life requires than Darwin did. For Dawkins to suggest, then, that Darwin demolished the design argument 150 years ago is a stretch of the imagination.

Thomas also provides clarity on the historical response to Darwin’s theory. Far from gaining instant consensus, Darwin’s 1859 On the Origin of Species faced immediate pushback. Major scientific contemporaries rejected natural selection as a creative mechanism, most notably Britain’s leading geologist, Sir Charles Lyell, and Darwin’s colleague Alfred Russel Wallace. Thomas also points out that Darwinism was initially embraced more by literary and historical figures than by scientists, while the general public rejected its bleak depiction of nature as purely competitive.

Add all that to what we’ve learned about life in the last century and a half and it adds up to a decisive refutation of Dawkins’s recent claim in The Telegraph.

Dig Deeper

  • In False Messiah, longtime Darwinist and agnostic Neil Thomas looks at how Darwinism triumphed, and he challenges the official story with an exploration richly informed by his expertise in rhetoric and cultural history.
  • In Taking Leave of Darwin, Thomas offers a wide-ranging history of the evolution debate and the story of why, after decades as a card-carrying Darwinist, he decided it was time to walk away from the theory.

Read the Telegraph articles that inspired this conversation:

Neil Thomas

Neil Thomas is a Reader Emeritus in the University of Durham, England and a longtime member of the British Rationalist Association. He studied Classical Studies and European Languages at the universities of Oxford, Munich and Cardiff before taking up his post in the German section of the School of European Languages and Literatures at Durham University in 1976. There his teaching involved a broad spectrum of specialisms including Germanic philology, medieval literature, the literature and philosophy of the Enlightenment and modern German history and literature. He also taught modules on the propagandist use of the German language used both by the Nazis and by the functionaries of the old German Democratic Republic. He published over 40 articles in a number of refereed journals and a half dozen single-authored books, the last of which were Reading the Nibelungenlied (1995), Diu Crone and the Medieval Arthurian Cycle (2002) and Wirnt von Gravenberg’s ‘Wigalois’. Intertextuality and Interpretation (2005). He also edited a number of volumes including Myth and its Legacy in European Literature (1996) and German Studies at the Millennium (1999). He was the British Brach President of the International Arthurian Society (2002-5) and remains a member of a number of learned societies.
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